Curse

Cool Down · Oct 25, 2010, 09:02 AM // 09:02

I just posted a thread here
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...t10456400.html

Because I'm one of those PvE'ers who never got started on PvP but really want to. I'm tired of RA and AB, so write to me if you need an extra guy for some GvG or HA.

RotteN · Oct 25, 2010, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by ilr

I actually have a growing pile of evidence to the contrary.

which "contrary"? That someone's opinion can never be wrong? Or that the (negative) opinion about the GvG-community, voiced by some people in this thread, is correct?

In all honesty, if you run off after a bad experience and conclude that it's one big cesspool of evil, you're never going to get anywhere. And trust me, that counts for any community. Let me illustrate this with my first attempt to join a PvE guild for some organized guild groups in the harder area's:

I had been playing PvP, pretty much exclusively GvG, for 2 years. However, I didn't really have time anymore for daily/almost daily GvG's, so I decided to go have a look on the PvE side. So far I had been PvE-ing pretty regularly, but almost always with H/H (I never liked pugging). I picked out a guild that looked good, and wrote a rather lengthy application explaining I had been GvGing a lot, and was now looking for a change of pace. I also explained I didn't really know what to expect (never been in an organised PvE-guild), so there was always the off-chance I wouldn't like it, and decide to go back to GvG. But that's what a try-out is for, right?
Boy, was I wrong. Within a few hours my application had 6-ish replies.
Of those reply, there wan't 1 welcome.
They were straight-forward hostile replies, flaming me for using f*ck (yes, I even used an * to censor it) once in my post (because, and I quote "excessive cursing is usually for the lower educated, and is frowned upon in this guild". Hilarious since they didn't even know me, nor my level of education. And since I was at that time in my master years engineering, I was pretty insulted). 2 of the members already voted "no" for my membership, without even playing with me in-game. They blamed me for not being 100% dedicated to joining, since I said there was a chance I would not like PvE at all. I defended myself in a short reply, and immediately got scolded for that too, saying I was "overly aggressive" in my reply and that I wouldn't fit in the friendly atmosphere of their guild. Let me assure you the atmosphere I experienced so far was far from "friendly".
Eventually, by the 11th reply, there was 1 guy who finally said "welcome".

Long story short, I sent a message to the guild leader explaining I found the welcome I got far from what it should have been, and respectfully retracted my application.

The whole experience was a very harsh one. But rather than labeling the entire PvE community as a cesspool of evil, I simply figured "shit happens" and found another guild, which was in fact a friendly bunch of easy-going people.

tl;dr : don't get your panties in a knot when you run into a bad experience.

To Chicken To Die · Oct 25, 2010, 11:59 AM // 11:59

The day they will remove NPC from PvP (how ironic) I will GvG again (and maybe HA). Starting with other new people and being away from GvG so long hencman will roll us unexp players to easy. And They should call it Player vs Bots. (NPC's are Bots)

Radovan · Oct 25, 2010, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Would be good if some1 organized GvGs ,rather than just talking about old days

RotteN · Oct 25, 2010, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by Radovan

Would be good if some1 organized GvGs ,rather than just talking about old days

One example: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/h...t10456201.html

xhappy feetx · Oct 25, 2010, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by aeronox

What this needs is official support. Serious, dedicated support from ArenaNet to put the "Guild" back into their game.

Like... a campaign. Something massive. Videos and stuff. *shrugs* I miss GvG.

We've collectively been asking this for about 2 years, ever since they removed VoD I've wanted it, and several other things to come back, VoD was easier to manage than this current tiebreaker, especially for newer players.

The PvP Community · Oct 25, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Any new players who have tried GvG in the past couple days have anything to share regarding their experiences and what they liked/didn't like?

Cool Down · Oct 25, 2010, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by The PvP Community

Any new players who have tried GvG in the past couple days have anything to share regarding their experiences and what they liked/didn't like?

I would love to get invited a long.
Catch me if I'm online. Align Verian

ItsJustMe · Oct 25, 2010, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by The PvP Community

Any new players who have tried GvG in the past couple days have anything to share regarding their experiences and what they liked/didn't like?

Not a new player, but I will offer the following:

I've played gvg with a pretty close group of folks for the past year- year and a half. We are not hard-core in that it's only a couple of nights a week, and while we try to win, use teamspeak, and play relatively meta bars, it's more important to have fun.
The last 6 months have been difficult because our matches were 2-4 per night over a 2-3 hour period, and 1/2 of those matchups are against teams that pretty well rolled us.
However, the other night we played 2 hours and got in several matches with the longest wait being maybe 5-10 minutes.
A couple groups rolled us, a couple /resigned, and the rest were decent matches. Best night in a long time.

I'd like to think the population was increased due to the ToT bags, but I can't say for sure. Either way, I think offering PvE rewards is genius. I hope ANet continues this line of thinking. The only thing I would do differently would be to offer 5 bags for participating. Maybe even scale the reward with time in the match.

In addition, I can't remember 1 single negative comment, even when we got rolled. Although, We normally don't see too much negativity. Occasionally, we'll see a disparaging remark, but on the whole, the teams we faced were silent or gave the usual 'gg' after a match.

For what it's worth...

Calista Blackblood · Oct 25, 2010, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by The PvP Community

Any new players who have tried GvG in the past couple days have anything to share regarding their experiences and what they liked/didn't like?

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Originally Posted by Myself yesterday

I have myself played some GvG this evening due to posts and posters in this thread and even though we didn't win,I questioned my own ability and will look to improving on that (I was playing WoH infuse)

I liked the willingness to help,and the freedom of choice to play a profession and build I wanted to. I'm pretty sure I need to work on position and reading the playing field better but for a first real attempt at GvG and playing with 7 new people,I really enjoyed it and like mentioned above,I think I need to be less heal-botty with bar usage so as to not run dry as quick..

I will GvG again though <3

Red Intensity · Oct 25, 2010, 11:37 PM // 23:37

I'll make this short:

GvG isn't exactly "fun" if one is being repetitiously roflstomped by top 500 guilds due to the failure that is the ELO system. The aforementioned is what I've experienced. Before anyone berates me for "expecting to win every time", lemme say something to counteract this accusation: No; in fact I expect(ed) to lose each and every GvG match ever played (I'm that pessimistic), but I somewhat expect to play against an opponent that is in the same bottom tier.

One reason why I won't GvG even as a guest for other places is because of the steep learning curve. That, and I'm not the kind of person who "builds connections." Thus, I don't bother.

vOddy · Oct 25, 2010, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Will it be possible for me to get in to GvG? I don't mind losing my first 100 games. I got into StarCraft seriously in like 2008, so I can handle it. But the question is, how do I find 7 other people who are also willing to lose a lot, and who will also improve eventually?

Ariena Najea · Oct 26, 2010, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Red Intensity

I'll make this short:

GvG isn't exactly "fun" if one is being repetitiously roflstomped by top 500 guilds due to the failure that is the ELO system. The aforementioned is what I've experienced. Before anyone berates me for "expecting to win every time", lemme say something to counteract this accusation: No; in fact I expect(ed) to lose each and every GvG match ever played (I'm that pessimistic), but I somewhat expect to play against an opponent that is in the same bottom tier.

One reason why I won't GvG even as a guest for other places is because of the steep learning curve. That, and I'm not the kind of person who "builds connections." Thus, I don't bother.

Played yesterday with Happy, Calista, and some others for three rounds. Two of the Guilds were sub 1000 rating like the Guild we were playing in, and the other was barely above if I remember right. You occasionally stretch some, but you won't regularly play against teams who are significantly better ratings. As for building connections, you can still regularly play with the same group and have a good time, you'll just have a harder time initiating matches since you won't have people to call on.

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Originally Posted by vOddy

Will it be possible for me to get in to GvG? I don't mind losing my first 100 games. I got into StarCraft seriously in like 2008, so I can handle it. But the question is, how do I find 7 other people who are also willing to lose a lot, and who will also improve eventually?

Absolutely, and you aren't the only one right now. Find me in-game at Ariena Najea.

Reverend Dr · Oct 26, 2010, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by The PvP Community

Any new players who have tried GvG in the past couple days have anything to share regarding their experiences and what they liked/didn't like?

Completely serious. Have we set up an IRC or some other public room/board/thing outside of GW that anyone interested in in joining can idle and we can fine people?

#buildwars was wonderful when it first started, but right now its kind of dead

vOddy · Oct 26, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Still waiting for my game to arrive :P I ordered the complete collection and my trial is over.

aeronox · Oct 26, 2010, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Have we set up an IRC or some other public room/board/thing outside of GW that anyone interested in in joining can idle and we can find people?

IRC sounds good. Where can we get a channel going?

tealspikes · Oct 26, 2010, 08:23 AM // 08:23

Unfortunatly there IS in fact alot of smurfing going on, and it's more prevalent than I can ever remember. Our guild was recently picked up casual gvg again and it seems like a third of the teams we face nowadays are 6 guests from top guilds, and our friends from other guilds also fight these smurfs regularly. I know noobstomping can be satifying, but it really does add to the roadblock we have of keeping people interested in the format. Newbies don't enjoy getting constantly annihilated and are much less likely to continue trying.

Artisan Archer · Oct 26, 2010, 09:56 AM // 09:56

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Originally Posted by vOddy

Will it be possible for me to get in to GvG? I don't mind losing my first 100 games. I got into StarCraft seriously in like 2008, so I can handle it. But the question is, how do I find 7 other people who are also willing to lose a lot, and who will also improve eventually?

Try contacting the people in this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/h...t10456201.html

RotteN · Oct 26, 2010, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by tealspikes

Unfortunatly there IS in fact alot of smurfing going on, and it's more prevalent than I can ever remember. Our guild was recently picked up casual gvg again and it seems like a third of the teams we face nowadays are 6 guests from top guilds, and our friends from other guilds also fight these smurfs regularly.

If they have 6 guests from different guilds, it is pugging, and not smurfing. smurfing is the exact 8-man team playing under another (usually lower ranked) guild name. It does a LOT more damage than pugging, since a smurf is usually a well-oiled team without the rating to show for it. A pug is still a pain, non the less, since fighting 8 veteran players, even when they usually don't play together, is already an extremely tough battle for a new guild.

I can indeed believe pugging is going on a lot atm. When people cannot play for their own team (not enough people online, ...), they try to find a spot as guest. Especially with the lowering of the member requirements, it is now really easy to quickly fill up your guild with guests, if you have an active friendlist.

You can not really blame them, after all, all they want to do is GvG. And since their own guild's not playing (top guilds usually only play when most of their core's online), they fill up a guest spot somewhere, anywhere.

The fact that you fight them 1/3rd of the time, isn't because there are tons of pugs, but because there aren't enough "normal" casual guilds playing. With more of those guilds, the chance of running into those pugs will decline automatically.

That being said, would guilds be interested in a scrimmage database? Similar to the QQ guest thread, we could make a list of new guilds (maybe impose a rating maximum) with 1 or 2 contacts, so other new guilds can contact them for an unrated scrimmage.

The PvP Community · Oct 26, 2010, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by RotteN;5282613IThat being said, would guilds be interested in a [B

scrimmage database[/B]? Similar to the QQ guest thread, we could make a list of new guilds (maybe impose a rating maximum) with 1 or 2 contacts, so other new guilds can contact them for an unrated scrimmage.

Endorsed by the community.